. >> well, it has worked for democrats in virginia traditionally with doug wilder's election on that issue. romney wasn't anywhere near richmond when what mark talked about was going on. i add obama doesn't have the benefit of warner on the ticket with him. that could hurt him as well. when the democrats talk about it and they are behind. they hit me and john warner on the same issues and anyone with the label. it doesn't fit mitt romney. >> frankly it is still a conservative state in so many places and the abortion issue splits both ways. >> absolute sli splits both ways but virginia is a main stream state and virginians don't like either political party when they get too far off the main stream. the mitt romney that campaigned for republican nomination, was way out of the main stream. he's trying to -- it's getting close to halloween and he is trying to change clothes and get back to a moderate view. at the end of the day people are not going to respond to that and on top of that -- tom is an expert on plil politics, virginia and elsewhere. but i think at the end of the day the gro